OLD HEELEY: A FEW NOTES
WRITTEN BY MEMBERS OF THE
"HEELEY'S HISTORY" WORKSHOP
No. 7: JULY 1987
For this edition, we thought we would include on example of the information - gathering conversations we have been having recently in our Heeleys History Workshop sessions on Monday afternoons. This one, on how smoking habits and attitudes have changed, is from about a. month ago. The other topic has been contributed by one of our members who was so interested in our plan of Heeley Bottom, in the lost edition, that he decided to look it up in Kelley's 1924 Street Directory of Sheffield. (The Local Studies room in the Central Library has copies of these Directories for most years since the 1880's).
If you would like to join in any of our conversations about old Heeley, you can be sure you will be made very welcome. We meet in the former Heeley Bank Junior School on Monday afternoons (details at the bottom of this page). There is else a community Snack-Bar there from 12.00 to 3.00pm, which is open to the general public, and a supervised crèche where young children can be left.
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We have had to leave out a lot of material this time, so we hope to include that in a September edition.
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At a recent Mondays workshop the conversation turned to cigarettes and smoking habits - different members of various ages gave their memories of how smoking habits have changed, and of the different brands of tobacco available. The conversation went something like this.
"Woodbine cigarettes were 5 for a penny 75 years ago. Cinderella, Ogdens tabs, Bruno/Sweet Crop were 3½d for ½ ounce and you used to get a box of matches free. I used to fetch ½ ounce Bruno, ½ ounce Sweet Crop mixed. They didnt mix it, you mixed it when you got it home and you got the tobacco and the box of matches for 3½d, about the time 1912. My Uncle bought this on Saturday morning and it had to lest the week. Twist was the cheapest tobacco, about 2d an ounce. When I worked at the Co-op as a lad, I knew a dray man that smoked twist. He used to ask me to fetch him some twist up from the cellar. When it was delivered the twist was very long and coiled in big rolls. Once, I cut a chunk off, coiled it round my waist, and pulled my jersey over it. I had no idea how much to give him. Although I must have given him about 11 pounds of twist!"
"Do you remember Mrs. Whithams house window shop on Denmark Road? She used to give the lads 1 Woodbine and 2 or 3 matches for ½d, so they were 5 for 2d then because they were in paper packets and then in an oblong box."
"We used to go round the streets picking tab ends up and taking paper off and putting them in a tin and then rolling them up in brown paper and smoking that, at the age of 8 or 9. There were no tipped cigarettes then. We never bought any cigarettes." "There were some cigarettes called Little Queens, they were only for ladies. What we always used to fancy were a packet and they were mixed, there were Turkish and Russian, I think Russian was a browny colour, Turkish was a pale lemon or a pale pink I cant remember which, and we used to get these and they stunk horrible, but we used to smoke them." "There were Black Cat. Craven A were first with tips. There were Passing Clown, Capstan, Senior Service, Gold Flake - you never see any Gold Flake up here but if you go down South youll find em."
"Always remember as a child I used to lie in bed awake and I couldnt get to sleep because the neighbor next door he was cough, cough, cough and he used to smoke Capstan full strength and he worked as a grinder with all this dust of course and I used to go in, he would save me these cigarette packets which I used to use as motor cars and push them along the table, and I always wanted the yellow one, -would that be the Robin? - and he always used to complain about this cough which he could never get rid of - and looking back its rather sad with the combination of tobacco smoke and grinding wheel he died when he was about 50." That would be about the 30s. His coughing would be interrupted when he used to shout to his Mother, he would say "Mother, wheres my shirt, wheres my clean shirt Mother?"
"Me and my pal used to make cigars out of leaves and smoke them, you know that planting in Norton Lees Lane at bottom of Warminster Toad, there is a lot of trees there, he lived other side of the road, that cottage that stands back, his Father were the gardener there, and we used to go in that planting and roll leaves up and smoke those."
"I used to have a go every year to try and smoke pipe, I wanted to stop cigarette smoking because I was a chain smoker, I never used to have a cigarette out of my mouth, and I wanted to stop cigarette smoking and I used to go and buy a pipe, ½ ounce of Sweet Crop, pouch and pipe and all lot, and I used to have a go at it, and my tongue, it used to make it sore, I would stand it for a day or two and then Id chuck it away and go back to the cigarettes. Chap next to me a bloke called Beakin at work ha says "Ive got some good bacca here," he says "try some of this" and it were in a block about 2½ inches by about 2 inches, inch thick, he says "cut some of that off and try that" it hadnt a name he got it off a pal of his what were in the Navy and it wore soaked in rum, I had two puffs and that were it, it made me feel rum, rum what were in it! He used to smoke a tobacco and they called it Jackdo, and I used to think it smells lovely his tobacco, but it were no good to me."
"Lads would normally start smoking while they were at school. Should be in late teens when I started smoking pipe, used to think pipe were only for older people." "I used to have a pipe of bacca and then have a cigarette, and then I used to bite the end off, I didnt last long with a pipe, sometimes in 2 or 3 days I bit right through the stem, gripping it you know, and bite the end off, so I decided that pipe smoking were a bit more than I could manage because I was still smoking cigarettes."
"I tried allsorts, I tried clay pipe and I tried wooden pipe what wore lined with clay, I tried allsorts of pipes and it made no difference, it still made my tongue sore. They said they got a good smoke out of a clay pipe. They say it used to be best smoke, coolest smoke of the lot, clay pipe. I bought briar pipes, I bought allsorts of pipes. There was a great incidence of cancer of the mouth and lips and tongue with the clay pipes."
"I was apprentice in tool room and my mate he was sixty odd and he always smoked a clay pipe and he used to leave it on the end of the bench, well he had gone out one day and I fell for this a treat. One of the labourers he was always pulling your leg you know, over various things, so he says that clay pipe there if you get hold of it and you just tap it on the end, you know where you put it in your mouth, he said if you just tap it on the end that bowl drops off. So I said get away but he said it does, so I wouldnt believe him, so I just tapped it and the bowl fell off. Well I put it back on the bench and he came in, he looked at it, he played havoc with me, I never told him I had done it - I must have cos there were only me and him there, so it must have been me. I thought I fell for it alright."
"There was a lady smoked a clay pipe in Heeley Green, she was always outside in a chair smoking her clay pipe."
"I remember a lady on our road, Mrs. Moseley, she kept a house window shop, a big woman she was, she used to smoke a pipe, clay pipe sometimes.
If you find out when Woolworths first came and settled in Sheffield, that was the time when clay pipes went out in Sheffield, because of 6d pipes what Woolworths used to sell - early 30s.
It were a common sight in towns but I think it wore more common in countryside round about 1910, 1912. They used to break stem off to about a couple of inch of the bawl of the pipe purposely, I dont know why, whether it tasted better or not, I dont know, but that is what they used to do. They had the bowl right close to their mouths."
"Does anybody know anything about Africanda tobacco? When I went to Coopers there must have been somebody who smoked it. Hed dozens of Africanda tins, even up to me leaving. They were 2 ounce tins, flat ones with hinge lids."
"Women started smoking during the lost war, because there were no sweets and with the pressure. Conductresses on trams or buses they got their partners, the drivers, smoking and they started smoking. Women wore mixing more with men."
"Because society ladies smoked in the 20s and ladies like us couldnt afford it, you knew you were with it then when you started working and got money, and so we tried to pretend that we were ladies as well."
" High society ladies had long cigarette holders. (This was around the time the Charleston came in). Basically it would be like anything else in life there would be one or two ladies oven smoked before the general trend of ladies smoking, I mean we are saying about ladies, my Fathers Aunt she smoked a clay pipe, and I would be very young and she would probably be in her 60's s then, she had been smoking that for ages. There is a certain amount in life that people have done something opposite to what they should do, but basically women smoking started after the 2nd war - or during the war it started."
"I think there was an increase in the amount of smoking done across the age range through the years generally, it was a thing that has grown and grown and grown as the years have gone on, whether it has been advertising or watching, you knew children watching their parents and copying and that sort of thing, I dont know."
"Before the 1st world war at most firms you werent allowed to snake on the job it only came in the war time when they were allowed to smoke, in a lot of the engineering firms anyhow, it was only during the 1st world war that they were relaxed. It just came about that you were allowed to smoke in the works."
"I know there were a firm down bottom of Rockingham Lane, my Father and my Uncle worked on that firm at one bit, I forget name of the firm now, but there used to be a grinder on the wheel where my Father worked and he used to chew tobacco and after he had chewed it until there were no flavour left in it he used to stick it on the ceiling, and then when it were dry he would take it down and shove it in his pocket and then smoke it later."
"I gave up smoking in 1939 because my Mother had asthma very bad and I were always asked not to smoke in the house, and I gradually got used to not smoking indoors and gradually price of cigarettes went until they were a shilling for 20 and I thought to myself its costing me a lot of money smoking and being a little mester and working in my own little shop people used to come to me to bring me work and day one of warehouse lasses came up and she brought me some work, Monday morning it were, and I had just bought a pocket of 20 to come to work, Senior Service, and shoved em on cornish and she walked in brought me this work and she said, have you got a cigarette? So I says theres a. packet on cornish, and she said can I have one? I said help yourself and then I says take lot, she said what? I says take lot, she said do you mean it? I said I have stopped smoking, and I have never smoked since. What I used to do I used to go to Parkers Herbalist at bottom Fitzwilliam Street and buy ounce of dandelion root and I used to chew that at work. Its what they used to use for making ginger beer."
"Some bosses though, who didnt smoke and didnt swear, wouldnt allow workmen to would they? They used to dismiss them didnt they? Particularly I think if a boss didnt smoke and didnt swear he wouldnt allow his workmen to either, particularly if they were Methodist as well, because my husband used to come home and he would be dying for a cigarette and he couldnt have one at work and I dont think they would let them go to the toilet either sometimes."
"We used, to have to ask to go to the toilet almost."
"He couldnt swear either, and they could sack then couldn't they, they could sack them. So if you wanted to keep your job you didn't have to smoke." "Swearing wasnt allowed, no fighting and what not - they used to give you a rule book. Before my time they used to make em say prayers and that before they started work, didnt they? They used to line the workers up in mills and all them places. Some of the Quakers did. I know only what I have seen and read, I don t know people personally, that did this."
"Smoking was looked, down on with ladies, but not with men. When I was in my early 20s, in 1922/24, round about that time, I wouldnt have dreamt of going out with a lass that smoked, she would have been low, I mean it didnt matter about me, but my impression of a woman were if she smoked she wore common."
"I can remember first time I put a scarf over my head my Grandmother was ever so mad, she said you look like a common fish wife."
"I can remember it just as though it were yesterday, seeing the old lady about four doors below tcorner shop in Hooky Green, sitting there ont step smoking clay pipe, in black clothes and that type of thing, high lace boots and sitting there smoking away, not once but it used to he a regular occurrence during Summer time. You wouldnt expect a young woman to do that, just the old ladies. There must hove been smoking amongst women back in to the 19th century."
"I think there were a big change after the 1914 war, 1918 it started then because women got paid, women got money and women started to get independent. In the early days up to 1914, well later up to 1918, I should say, it just about changed when a woman dare go in a public house, I mean up to a certain period women daren't go in a public house, they wouldnt have em in. When 1939 war got on the way, and you got shortages, you used to get a certain class of people what had got transport and were able to get petrol, going out to pubs and of course wives and fancy women they took em with em, and of course that broke ice, and women started going into tpub then. It was the war what did it, if it hadnt have been for the war I think they would have still been same now, they wouldnt have let their wives go in pub."
"We used to hove some but not many came in. Had a public house at Upperthorpe, one lady used to come Friday night lust in the snug on her own and used to have a couple of bottles of stout, but weekends one or two of the husbands used to bring their wives in, but apart from anything else, during the week you wouldnt see one in. That was in the very early 20s."
"Up in Heeley, women there in early 1910-11-12, when they used to go out at night to fetch beer or whatever, if husband didnt want to go in to pub and they had to fetch it in the jug, shed always go out with her apron on, a shawl and apron and th apron were always shoved over t jug, so people couldnt see what she were going for. Shed go to off-licence. You knew if she had got apron on and if she wore only going ordinary shopping, apron would be straight down."
"Only time I saw my Mother fetching a gill of beer and that was when she were ironing, she was always thirsty then."
"There was a let of advertising to smoke, they used to give coupons away. If you didnt smoke, people would try and make you smoke."
"If you didnt smoke you were a sissy."
"I never smoked, born in 1923, I never smoked in the forces and I were in for five years."
"At about the age of 13 or 14, I went to smoke in the toilet at the bottom of the garden. When my Father followed me, he smelled the smoke and accused me of smoking. I tried to deny it, but he just said, if you want to smoke thats your fault, he said, but you don t smoke behind my back. He was what you might call old fashioned then, but we could go anywhere providing we told him where we were going. He did tell us that it would stunt your growth. He smoked Woodbines and a pipe. I smoked ever since, up to me giving up about six years ago."
"I think my Father knew that I were smoking but he never said a word to me about smoking but he used to tell me stories about little boys what had been caught smoking and their Fathers, parents had taken then into a room and given em a cigar and made them smoke it, and the reason he told me, I think, that were to put me off, but it didnt put me off."
"That was true, taking then in another room and giving em a cigar and making them smoke it, kids, to make them sick."
"I think it was a bad habit, that was looked upon as a bad habit, you never thought about your health. In fact in a lot of cases, grinders, when you are working on grinding wheels, you get a kind of a dryness in your throat and when you smoke it makes saliva and your mouths dont get dry, I think in a lot of cases that people thought that the coughing in a morning was doing you good it was fetching phlegm off your chest, they thought it were doing you good."
"In certain industries there was chewing tobacco, colliers - was to make them spit to get the dust away, I think that is all the miners chewed it for."
"Theres been a big change in the amount of cigarettes people smoke. It was a thing that gradually grow on you, as you smoked you smoked more and more as you went on. People smoked more the older they were as an individual unless they had good control on themselves and rationed themselves to what theyd smoke, think to themselves I am smoking too much, I cant afford it and that sort of thing, stopping.
"Cigars were only for the idle rich. I once remember one of the old cutlers what worked on Ibbotsons, of course they nearly all used to go out for a drink at night and he set off for his usual walk and he is at the back of a bloke whats smoking a cigar and he followed him, waiting like till hed got to the tavern and when he chucked it away he were going to have it. Of course this is tale hes telling me when he comes to work at morning after night before and he says "got right to Norfolk bridge and he chucked it owert' bridge into water."
"I used to smoke my Dads cigars, with being in business he used to get cigars given him you see and. he didn't like cigars but he used to light it and he perhaps only smoke about an inch and then he used to let it go out and put it on the side, and so I used to let it lie there a day or two and then it used to disappear and I used to smoke it and then hed say to my Mum "wheres that cigar that were on the side there?" "I dont know I havent seen it" shed say. "You must have moved it" hed say and of course she used to get into trouble then - but I think he rumbled it that it were me, so when he got a cigar as I got to about 17 or 18 and that, he used to give it me and. I used to smoke it. I used to love a cigar, and one Christmas we were having a party at home and there were 2 cigars an the side and my Dad were telling something about his war experiences and he glanced over where cigars were and he picked em up and walked bcck to middle of the room with this cigar in his hand, and my eldest brother were sat opposite me and I could see his eyes sparkle like he thought he were going to have a cigar - so my Dad turned, round and he lit one and then he turned round to me and gave me the other one, end oh my Brother's face! It got automatic that Dad used to give em me, and I were alright, I used to have nice cigars."
"When you looked, at cigar boxes and the way they were made, they were all made out of cedar wood, and they were morticed, beautiful workmanship. I have one at home now, I am trying to think, there is a brand name on the top, but I cant think what it is now. You used, to get some that hold about five and they were a shallow box and there was a press-stud on them, wooden boxes. Hull Dog used to be in a cardboard pocket with five in."
"I was going home one night on the tram and I lit a cigar up as I got going on the Moor I took a deep puff at it and I swallowed smoke, you know, thinking it were a cigarette - and I thought I should die. I got of the tram, I had to get off the tram and walk rest of the way. I never felt anything like it in my life. I just took a deep pull on the cigar and then swallowed it. I dont know how I got off that tram, I got off it on Moor and walked rest of the way home, oh I have never forgot that, I thought I should die."
"I went to work down in Lincolnshire and first Saturday I went down to Lincoln and I went in a shop for a packet of cigarettes theyd got some loose, cigars on the counter, I thought Ill have one of those, I thought well nobody knows me round here, so I lit it and walked up the road, I hadnt gone above 20 yards and one of my shop mates was coming down the road! Well he told em at work he says "he were walking down High Street" he says "at Lincoln as if he owned half of the town, puffing cigar smoke all over the place." They didn't half pull my leg over that, because I have never walked about smoking a cigar, you know what I mean. when I used to smoke em, Id always be either sat down or somewhere."
Thats all we had time for. But what are your recollections of peoples smoking habits, people's attitudes to smoking, and the reasons things were different in your young day? Please let us know - the Introduction page has details of how to get in touch with us.
Heeley Bottom: London Road in 1924, from Kelly's Directory of Sheffield
Please note: This time the numbers are the house numbers.
|Before Wolseley Road||From Queens Road Continued|
|432 Priory Press Printers||447 Melias Ltd. Grocers|
|434 Sheffield Billiard Hall Co. Ltd.||449 Hepworth J. - Tailor/Draper|
|438 Greer Adams D. - Physicians & Surgeons||451 Creswick Dixon Electric Co. Electrical Engineers|
|442 National Provincial Bank||455 Heeley Coleseum Ltd.|
|From Wolseley Road||457 Denniff Albert Butcher|
|444 Shaw J. Pawnbroker||459 Peacock Mulholland - Newsagents|
|446 Bodsworth Bros. Decorators||From Sark Road|
|448 Whibberley J. - Herbalist||461 Midland Bank Ltd.|
|450 Sempers J. - Hatter||463 May W. - Dyers|
|452 Whittles W. - Fruiterer||465 Maypole Dairy Co. Ltd. Butter Dealers|
|454-456 Gowers E. - Grocers||465A Woolhouse John - Confectioners|
|458-460 Sempers Robert - Draper||467 Grunless Sons Ltd. - Boot Shoe Dealers|
|From Chippinghouse Road||469-471 Price Co. - Drapers|
|462 Green A. - Fresh Fish Dealers||473 Home & Colonial Stores Ltd. - Grocers|
|464 Hoath U. - Greengrocer||475 Flint Bros. - Decorators|
|466 Coffin Solomon - Tailor||477 Ross Chas. Ltd. - Weighing Machine Weighbridge Makes, Showroom|
|468 Marr Albert - Confectioner||479 Fidler Mrs. - Tobacconist (Public Weighing Machine)|
|470 Crammar R. - Boot Dealer||481 Ross C. Ltd. - Manufaturers|
|472 Siddall Miss Ammie - Tripe Dealer||483 Wild Mrs. A. - Butchers|
|474 Inman G. E. Ltd. - Pastry Work||485 Chambers E. - Fishmonger|
|476 Cohen Horace - Draper||487 Meadow Dairy Co. Ltd. - Butter Dealer|
|478 Vickers Miss E. - Draper||489 West Mrs. C. - Pastry Cook|
|480 Shepherd's Dairy Ltd.||491-497 Wainwright G. - Drapers|
|482 Pearce Mrs. Ethel - Greengrocers||499 Dover Fred - Confectioner|
|484 Gallons Ltd. - Grocer||From River Sheaf|
|484½ Johnson Mrs. H - Leather Dealer||Gleadless Road|
|502-506 Hart Cash Furnishers||Railway Arches|
|510 Heeley Branch School Clinic||Oak Street|
|514-516 Boots Cash Chemists||Heeley Cinema|
|518 Sanderson A. - Tobacconist||
From Well Road
From Broadfield Road
|579 Brailsford Confectioners|
|Parker A. Hay Straw Dealer||581-583 Ponsford H. - Furniture Dealer|
|Heeley Station (Wm. J. Wood Station Master)||585 Milner J. - Provisions|
|Nunnery Colliery Lt Ltd.||587 Row G. - Pork butchers|
|J. W. Ward Ltd. - Coal Dealers||589 Bowler C. - Pork Butcher|
Then the Railway Arches
|591 Martin G. & Co. - Clothier|
From Queens Road
|593 Fish W. - Athletic Goods Outfitter|
|415 Howe C. - Butcher||595 Fletcher W. Ltd. - Butcher|
|417 Smith H. - Fruiterer||597 Holmes B. - Watchmaker|
|421-423 Yorkshire Penny Bank||599 Elliot H. - Herbalist|
|425 Standard Hacksaw Co. Ltd.||601 Paget G. Chas. - Costumer|
|425 Wild E. - Butcher||605 Blanchard Mrs. A. - Dairy|
|427-431 Wainwright G. - Ladies' Outfitters||607 Pearson H. - Confectioners|
|433 Cooper Alfred - Pastry Cook||609 Cohen Horace - Drapers|
|439 Thorpe C. - Pork Butcher||615 Birkenshaw W. - Provisions|
|441 Howe G. - Fishmonger||617 King W. - Provisions|
|443 Langton & Sons - Boatmaker||619 Sheff Mark - Tailor|
|445 Royal Billiard Hall|